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Unapodogetic
Episode 59 | "Hip-Hop Hierarchies and Cultural Contradiction"
Welcome back to the raw, unfiltered world of Unapologetic. After a brief hiatus, Newman and Dees return with a conversation that crackles with energy, humor, and hard truths about our cultural landscape.
This episode dives deep into hip-hop's hierarchies, with passionate debates about who deserves spots on various "Mount Rushmore" lists across different eras and categories. From white rappers to mixtape legends, the hosts dissect the legacies of artists ranging from Eminem and Paul Wall to Wayne, Kanye, and reluctantly, Drake. Speaking of Drake, the hosts don't hold back in analyzing how his brand has suffered following the Kendrick beef, questioning whether his career can truly recover or if he's permanently lost the magic that made him a superstar.
The conversation evolves naturally to examine hip-hop's current state, with Newman making the compelling observation that female artists are currently "holding it down" for the genre while many male artists seem to be in a transitional period. This leads to a fascinating philosophical discussion about how we consume art in the modern era—with people using music as background noise rather than engaging with it as true artistic expression.
Sports fans will appreciate their breakdown of NBA playoff matchups and UFC 314 highlights, including heated debates about Anthony Davis's place among all-time power forwards and praise for standout performances from fighters like Paddy Pimblett and Alexander Volkanovski.
The episode takes a powerful turn when addressing America's gun culture and how society applies different standards to violence depending on race. Through examining recent tragedies and controversies, the hosts expose the contradictions in how we talk about self-defense, gun rights, and police authority across racial lines.
What makes this episode special is the hosts' ability to blend cultural commentary, humor, and unflinching social analysis while maintaining the authentic friendship that defines Unapologetic. Whether you're here for the music talk, sports debate, or societal reflection, Newman and Dees deliver a conversation that will have you nodding in agreement, laughing out loud, and most importantly, thinking deeply about the world we live in.
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Speaker 4:Thank you man. I appreciate that man.
Speaker 2:It's a nice day. We got a lot of topics to cover. Oh man, it's a tough. Some tough ones too. I don't know. Yeah, I know off mic, we're just talking, bro. It's crazy how big my son's getting though.
Speaker 4:Bro, huge man, huge. I can't believe he's about to be one soon, bro. Yeah, that's crazy dog, so man. That's truly insane, bro.
Speaker 2:Man, that's different. Anyway, what's up, bro? What we gonna get into first? Man, it's a nice day, sonny. Bro, what do you wanna get into first? We can start. Do you wanna start with Music? We can start Music. We can go Sudden events.
Speaker 4:I think it's always good to just start, to start off with Recent events.
Speaker 2:You want to go to Lil Uzi Hospital?
Speaker 2:Lil Uzi Hospital yeah because I didn't even hear about that. Lil Uzi in the hospital yeah, man, sadly Lil Uzi in the hospital. Yeah, man, sadly Lil Uzi. Our brethren looks like they took him to the hospital. Man took him on a gurney. What did he go to the hospital for? No, they said something illness. Praise Lil Uzi man. I hope he didn't OD or nothing. I hope he's right. I saw that this morning. I was like man, we don't need no more. I don't know. I know those rappers and stuff building that lean and pills and stuff. It just sucks when they like have seizures or something happens to them bad.
Speaker 4:I know we seen them like Lil Wayne Ross some of our OGs immediately who I thought of, bro, yeah you don't want to hear about you.
Speaker 2:You know people used to listen to or listen to or support you know being sick or ill, so stuff like that. I was just like damn hope they're okay, you know, or hope they get sober, you know, whatever helps them, yeah hey that's crazy too, because I feel like I haven't heard nothing from Uzi in a minute.
Speaker 1:Like.
Speaker 4:He dropped some music like last year, but I didn't listen to it or nothing.
Speaker 2:Bro, it sounded like one of those albums you drop the guy that do.
Speaker 4:And that's what I feel like. I feel like the the peak of like Uzi has kind of come to an end. You know, I feel like Since you brought him up right now. I'm like yeah, I haven't thought about Uzi in a while and I remember it was a time he was just always out there.
Speaker 2:I don't think Uzi has the same cult following as, like Playboy Cardi does, that's interesting.
Speaker 4:That's interesting. They always try to like put those two together. Yeah, you know, like Cardi versus Uzi, you know.
Speaker 2:but I think they're different, though, because obviously Uzi's peak is way bigger than Cardi's peak was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so yeah.
Speaker 2:Uzi has a diamond record with fucking Exo Tour Life, so I'm like Uzi's peak is definitely bigger than any of those guys' peaks was. But longevity is like yeah, it was like Yachty. Yachty has been kind of consistent. Yeah he's been around for a while now too.
Speaker 4:Like you probably kind of get a project, because when did that what Minnesota came out in? Like 2015, right, 2016?
Speaker 2:Yeah, big get cold like minnesota we kind of got a project like two years ago. So I'm like whether you like it or not, we got a project, you know, so yeah, yeah of course 21 savage got that new class, but that's bro.
Speaker 4:Niggas is really getting old and tell me why, bro.
Speaker 4:Like I was talking to my brother right about these new rappers like because he bro, he swears up and down, he's like into underground okay rap music bro bro, I'm not familiar with none of these niggas he talking about, bro, and it's just funny to see how, like the evolution of just like hip-hop and just like rap music in general is going, bro, because you know how, like like rappers in like our age demographic all have like a certain um, they have like a certain style of name. You know like it's like little something, young, something. You know what I mean. It's always around that type of that type of style of name. So, like these new rappers, bro, a lot of their names to me feel like it's like an instagram handle.
Speaker 5:You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:So it's like it's interesting to hear some of these new rappers names because it sound to me. It sound like a gamer tag or like an instagram handle look at you be broke like that sometimes.
Speaker 2:Yeah it do, yeah it do so it's, it's interesting, bro.
Speaker 4:So it's like whenever he's saying like some of these names where I'm like nigga, I'm not familiar with none of these niggas, you talk about none of them for real, for real, bro, none of them, not one name, ring a bell. Like after he told me about it, I feel like I'm starting to recognize it a lot more now, but prior to him like telling me about some of these, folks.
Speaker 2:What was one of the dudes? He mentioned One of them off.
Speaker 4:Jump the first name, I think of Ken Carson. I know that doesn't really fit into any of the shit I was just talking about, but I guess I still a new nigga though. Yeah, yeah and bro, and it's just so funny to hear like bro, he's all talking to me about, like oh, this is the greatest artist, um, within the last like 20 years, yada, yada, not ken carson specifically, but like the people, yeah, and I'm just like bro. I'm like did I sound this fucking stupid when I was a kid? No disrespect moses but like did I sound this crazy when I was a kid, trying to talk about some of my favorite rappers?
Speaker 2:was better than some of the legends. Nah, because you got to think. Some of my favorite rappers are still like our legends.
Speaker 3:I think, that's the difference.
Speaker 5:That's a good point.
Speaker 2:It's like some of our favorite rappers is like niggas favorite rappers. Yeah, Like I don't know. Like me and you come from. Like especially you, bro. I remember you putting me on for like niggas, like Lupe dog oh yeah, For niggas who are tough, listen to Lupe's like deeper shit. You know what I mean. So, like I don't know, Lupe bro, listen to like someone like what's up, boy, I know, I know what's that. Like god damn, I lost thought. But anyway, some of those rappers you was let's do back in the day I feel like it's different, like those backpack rappers, yeah, just different. It's just I they, because they all get respect and love. I know they're not the most popular, but but you know it's interesting too, bro.
Speaker 4:I remember back in the day it was like I remember having a conversation with like a, like an older person back in the day when I was like 12 it was probably like 20, 21, like 22 and I remember talking to him, talking to him about like yo wayne and kanye, the best rappers of all time, type of thing, right, and they were like bro, what do you know about music, bro? Like you don't know shit, you know.
Speaker 2:And now it just feels like I'm on the other end of that cycle but when I talk to Moses, bro, but at the same time I feel like maybe it was a little early, but those are the kinds of stuff we have now. We talk about Wayne being the best, yeah, so yeah, that is fair, though, because a person like that probably grew up in the Jehovah era, and no one's better than Hope to those people Right Hope Shit Prime 50.
Speaker 4:Yeah nice. Yup, nah, because they even get into a nasty bag when you really start talking to some of them, old heads, bro, because they start talking about like fab fucking.
Speaker 2:Hey, nah, this does lead me somewhere, because now I got to ask you Did you see the Mount Rushmore that got put out? Uh-uh, all right. So I wanted to ask you You're Mount Rushmore, so there's a Rushmore that got published, right, white rappers, oh, white rappers. Yeah, someone put it out. So first I'm going to tell you the list and then I want to hear your list after Okay. Then I'm going to ask you some other questions after right. So the list. It was like Eminem. That's obvious.
Speaker 4:I want to say Russ was on there. Russ, you see the first two. I knew they was, that's a no brainer. The next two, I have no idea who you could really put in there.
Speaker 2:And then it was Paul Wall.
Speaker 4:Paul Wall. Okay, that's fair, that's fair, that's. The people chant right there.
Speaker 2:So I want to ask you who's your four white rappers?
Speaker 4:I think those three right there were, those were acceptable.
Speaker 2:So you're taking out Russ?
Speaker 4:I'm taking out Russ.
Speaker 2:Not enough time.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and then I don't even know if I, I don't know, bro he can rap. He can, russ can rap, but dude, I'm not going to lie, I got Logic. Might be one of my favorite white rappers over Russ bro.
Speaker 2:As much as I joke about Logic, Logic a rap bro.
Speaker 4:As black as Logic wants to be, bro, he's still a white rapper dog. Yeah, maybe Logic, I don't know, bro, because, dude, in my mind I'm like, how can you make a white rapper Mount Rushmore when it's like, bro, there's only like four of them to begin with, bro, only like four or five white dudes to begin with.
Speaker 2:Now look at here. Okay, now, if we're counting groups like I got the beastie boys the beastie boys.
Speaker 4:Come on, bro, if we're counting groups.
Speaker 2:I'm taking rest out and putting the bc boy nah, nah, action Bronson. Action Bronson's a good one. He might be that last one.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I need to hear some more white guys though Action Bronson, Because you know, I feel like I can't even think of no white rappers right now, bro, it's like my mind's just drawn to black.
Speaker 2:Penelope Ice.
Speaker 4:Nah, definitely not. Ice, Ice Baby isn't strong enough bro.
Speaker 2:It's not doing it for you. I don't know how. About Yellow Wolf? Nah, definitely not. Definitely not. All right, that's fair, that's fair, all right. Anyway, so really he had the right rapper list, because who really gives a fuck? Action.
Speaker 4:Bronson. G-eazy yeah, exactly, those are names you don't hear. And G-Eazy yeah, exactly those are names you don't hear.
Speaker 2:Let's be real. But I wanted to ask you, since me and you come from an era bro, I need the Mount Rushmore for the past 20. Nah, I'll go 2010s, I'm going to go 2000, 2010. I need your Mount Rushmore 2000 to 2010? Or 2015. It's going to be like 15. Yeah, that's a tough one, bro. I need your four. Bro. Who's your Mark Rushmore, bro, wayne? Yay, those are easy, that's easy.
Speaker 2:You see, this is really tough, though, too because it was specific eras within that, and that's why I really want to do 2010. I really want to ask you 2000 to 2010 and 2010 to 2025. And that's where that makes more sense. That's why I really want to ask you, because I'm like, if we really talking, bro.
Speaker 4:I remember all the way up until like from 2000 to like 05, man, 50 was just like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he was still hot. Bro 50 was still hot, bro 50 was hot, bro 50 was still hot. So you had the video games, the shoes, because 2000, 2010, I might go Ho 50, wayne and Ye, and probably Ye, yeah, that's it. I mean, that makes sense. And then, from 2010 on, I'll probably go, of course, cole, kendrick, drake, fuck, drake, fuck Drake. I know. But, he's still.
Speaker 4:And then I guess probably I mean See, I feel like that's a better conversation right there. See, that's way more debatable right there.
Speaker 2:This is where it gets tough, because it's like who are you asking, bro? I go Wale. Are we asking about ability? Do sales matter? That's why I hate these talks, because we're talking sales, you are I don't think sales matter anymore, bro, because it's.
Speaker 4:It's just like it's just an outdated form of measuring something, bro, because we can't even define what's a sale especially all these streams, yeah, like it doesn't count anymore, bro, especially because it's way less meaningful now, too, when the products getting pushed in your face, as opposed to somebody had to go somewhere to get the product, yeah, organic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know. So Because I'm like bro, I don't know yet, that's really a tough one, though that's a tough one bro, yeah.
Speaker 4:I know it's. Maybe that fourth spot is really tough, bro? Nick Sean, Definitely not, and in my mind I feel like I'm more inclined to give it to like Nikki or something bro.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm stupid.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I will give it to Nikki.
Speaker 2:For sure, nikki. I'm going to question Nikki. I forgot I'm tripping. Yeah, I'm like shit if we really hey. What about mixtape era? Mixtape era who's your, who's your, who's your, who's your? Mount Rushmore mixtapes.
Speaker 4:I feel like everybody our age Is gonna have Wayne number one. That's just a no brainer, bro, true.
Speaker 2:Alright, he. Who's your other three? I feel like our list might be a little different, but probably not. Let's see, maybe, bro. And then what years are we talking about? Smith's all time bro, all time. Who got the best mixtapes all time?
Speaker 4:I need your who's, your mount rushmore I need your big four see, because I'm really biased, though, bro I have, because in my mind, when I think about mixtapes, bro, I think back to when I was a kid and what shit I was listening to when I was just outside I know my three.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what are your three? Off the top, I got wayne currency and whiz. Okay, but that's letting of how old I am. Lil' Q yeah. And you see the Wiz one too that was going to be in there, Wiz and Wayne Currency's a good one, though I do kind of remember listening to a lot of Currency on SoundCloud.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't remember listening to Currency until I got older, though, bro.
Speaker 2:I guess you're kind of right though, but you know you said all time yeah, it is. Once. I dig it on her, though those tapes are smooth. Yeah, those mixtapes are good. Nah, mixtape lips, that's really difficult. And then that fourth spot, I'd probably go, probably go Fab bro, you showing your age bro nigga. But I remember that piff nigga, nigga, that piff nigga 2010, 2011, fab was dropping tapes bro and that's like junior highs kinda. Yeah, like I feel like junior nigga. That piff nigga 2010, 2011,. Fab was dropping tapes bro.
Speaker 2:And that's that's like junior highs kind of yeah, like I feel like junior highs kind of want to really be like oh, that piff, it was on that piff. That's why Wiz in there.
Speaker 4:Come on, I'll just tell you my age, like you start using that p Raps that they used to add on to the songs that you downloaded from Netflix.
Speaker 2:I guess I could even go Ross, but that's just my age, ross. I don't really like Ross on that list. At least my era. It felt like Ross had some heat. It did feel like Ross had some heat. I don't know man Music. I know hip-hop's in a weird spot. I know I'm not going to listen to hip-hop like I used to.
Speaker 4:I try pop's in a weird spot. I know I'm not gonna listen to hip-hop like I used to, but I try to listen to hip-hop when I can. But it's just not the same. It's different. Because you know what, bro, I feel like we're in like a um, we're in like an evolving stage of hip-hop right now bro, because I feel like after um you got dochi winning like a grammy and stuff.
Speaker 4:And I know those types of awards don't mean anything when we're ranking people, but like that album being what's deemed like mainstream now is kind of like, you know, kind of showing us that there's a shift going on right now, what people are consuming, or what people want to consume as far as hip hop, bro, as a tan, you know, yeah, so I feel like that is definitely setting the stage Because, again too, I feel like it's been going on for a few years now, though, but like the rise of, like, female rappers, bro, and the female.
Speaker 4:MC bro, it's just taking off bro.
Speaker 2:I feel like that's kind of holding up rapping now.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they holding that shit down bro. Kind of because it kind of feels like they're really holding it down, because when I think about bro, there's All the hits come from the people who are rappers. Yeah, there's a lot of like ratchet shit that they're making right now that's stumping bro. They got a lot of like conscious female rappers.
Speaker 2:Bro, this shit's punching.
Speaker 4:The rap city, yeah, and then you got to think you got like this more, like alternative type of rap artist like Dochi and stuff like that who's making more experimental type of albums.
Speaker 2:Could be a little bit of both.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know, You're seeing a very wide variety of women in hip-hop right now and it's feeling like a I don't know man. It's feeling like hip-hop's going through something right now.
Speaker 2:It is dude it is. I do like that they're it is dude it is, and I do like it. I do like that they're holding this down though, because, like you said, I mean of course until Kendrick came and he started holding this down a little bit, but even that that still was off the back of the beef a little bit, yeah. So I'm like. Yeah, I usually hear, though, it is kind of like a it, it's kind of like a, it's a, it's a, it's a Glorilla.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, it's sexy red right now I can't stand sexy red, but yeah, I don't like sexy red either.
Speaker 2:I can't lie. I feel like sexy, sexy red. I don't know. Yeah, I just I just don't enjoy her music. I can't lie, but it's not for me, it's not for me, I like.
Speaker 4:I Gorilla got hits Cause. You know what it is, bro, all the Memphis rappers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, they honestly they all got bars. I like that whole click Moneybag, yo, like I do, I do like that click they. They all can rap. So yeah, it is sad, though, but I do. I do wish this summer Hopefully we get some Some shit, though. Yeah, I'm hoping like I don't know man, hopefully someone. I don't know what. It is sad, though, but I do wish this summer, hopefully we get some shit, though. Yeah, I'm hoping, like I don't know man, hopefully someone. I don't know what we need to spice it up, but I need something. You think Drake's going to drop something? Honestly, I think that's what it is. I think I need Drake to break these shackles. He's trying really hard. Nokia is pushing it now again?
Speaker 4:I don't know, bro. I think it was a really bad. They're trying. Drake took a really bad blow to his brand.
Speaker 2:I think he shouldn't have done the Sue stuff. I think if Drake Connors would have went dormant and came out with some hits, he might have been back already. But it's with the Sue-ing, and now everyone's like oh, Drake's a bitch, he's suing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, everyone's, everyone's like.
Speaker 2:Oh, drake's a bitch, he's suing Cause that's that white man In him coming out. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:That's that tiny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's that. Yeah, that's that white boy In him. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, I'm gonna sue you.
Speaker 2:It's the tiny Dude Right. Nah, I'm being funny. It is the white boy In him. Sadly, sadly. Yeah, I'm going to sue you. You punched me. You punched me in the mouth, even though I called you a nigger. I was like come on Drake. So, yeah, I don't know, man, I do feel bad, but I think Drake's dropping this summer and I think it's just a matter of if it's hitting or not.
Speaker 4:Again, I don't think it's going to. I think it doesn't matter what he drops, it could drake hit.
Speaker 4:it's not going, bro, number one I don't think drake is ever gonna have like a drake hit. You think it's done? Oh yeah, I think it is done for the most part. Like I said, bro, we're not great. Are we gonna have a talk? Bro drake, now we're gonna after this beef. Bro, the, the newer generation of people, see drake differently than how we see drake. We still remember, we remember take care, bro, these new kids don't, they don't give a fuck, they don't care at all. See Drake differently than how we see.
Speaker 2:Drake, we still remember, we remember Take care, bro, these new kids don't, they don't give a fuck, they don't care at all, they don't give a fuck.
Speaker 4:They said shut up, yeah, and that's what they know. That's what they know. All right, now, you're not lying. That's the Drake they're growing up with right now, drake. I don't think we could so is it over?
Speaker 2:is it over for drake in the?
Speaker 4:sense, I don't think it's over.
Speaker 5:He's not gonna.
Speaker 2:He's not gonna have that like platinum diamond record, like drake drake, I think it's gonna be.
Speaker 4:You know, I definitely don't think this is gonna be the end of like drake ever coming out with a hit, you know because tiktok's still a thing, you know, they're still just. I feel like drake still definitely has the capability of just making a trendy track. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's still Drake. Yeah, but as far as a good album or anything, anything even remotely close worth listening to. All the runners left the house. Yeah, I think it's done. I think Drake's done, bro, that whole bro, his brand. Seriously it's done.
Speaker 2:You think it's done. I'm not going to say that yet. I'm not going to say that yet I'm not going to say that.
Speaker 4:Yet, bro, when I look at what's happened to Drake, from just a marketing perspective it's bad and Drake himself being a brand, it's bad for his image, bro. It's very bad, dude. It is bad you got people calling you a pedophile dog yeah.
Speaker 2:You know you're, come on on. Nah, it's bad, it's bad, but I do think you can overturn it, man. How what hits, bro? You know there's not enough.
Speaker 4:Hits you know how you know drake had what 15, 20 years worth of hits prior to this beef and it all went out the window.
Speaker 2:It did, it went out the window they said you used to call me on my cell phone. They said threw that shit out, the window now I think I think this is a summer, I think this is making our brigate for drake and I think this is drake's last chance to ever knock because if we're even being for reals too, I think it gets even deeper too, especially with this diddy situation lingering in our like cultural consciousness right now bro true, being associated with like sexual deviancy, right now, bro is not a good look being a pedophile being an abuser of women, not not to say that it's ever been a good, but yeah, but bro, it's a that's a very sensitive topic right now, bro.
Speaker 4:You know what?
Speaker 3:I mean you're on the wrong.
Speaker 4:You're on the wrong side of history, right? Yeah, that's true, you know. So. It's like people are very cautious, especially, too, when we think about, uh, the surviving daddy shit. Then a few years ago, we had the r kelly shit yeah, you know what? I mean. So now it's to the point where because again we've seen people ask these questions of how how did y'all allow this to happen at the time? You know. So now it's coming to the point where it's like I think people are aware enough of you know.
Speaker 4:Uh, if this was years ago, maybe I would have been one of the people supporting Kells. That makes sense. Yeah, you know, so it comes to the point where it's like again, there has to be some type of what's the word I'm looking for I can't find the right word for lack of better word like conclusion to when you're listening to Drake, you know, again, there has to be some type of. So when I think about this as as a brand, when I think about Drake as a brand, right, One of the biggest things that brands do is their ability to position themselves in the mind of the consumer.
Speaker 4:So, when I say this, think about something like water, like a water brand, for example right. Different water brands hold up different spaces in our mind for what we think about them, right?
Speaker 1:Like when we think about Arrowhead.
Speaker 4:We think about affordable water right, we think about affordability, fresh springs right, but what comes to your mind when I say Fiji or Voss, you know what I mean. That's brand positioning.
Speaker 3:So when you?
Speaker 4:think Fiji. You think more like luxurious, higher quality water. You know what I mean. We think about maybe like the filtration process. That's brand positioning, right, I think it's like Disneyland, exactly high price yeah, and it's all about the thoughts that come to your mind when you hear those words. And how do those thoughts relate to um similar products and similar brands?
Speaker 2:so drake's a pedophile, yeah, so again yeah, think about that, his brand positioning.
Speaker 4:Now when you think about drake, you're no longer just thinking about light skin, you know um, just sensitive, emotional man you know, there's a there's a different thought and association. There's a darker association that comes to your mind when you think Drake, there is now. Yeah you know what I mean and you can't necessarily get rid of that. You know Drake could have hits. But when you hear the name Drake.
Speaker 4:There's a darker association around it, bro. You know it's just again pedophilia and stuff like that. You can't just come back from that, bro. It's always going to linger. Yeah, you're right. There's always going to be somebody who's going to be out there. But remember, you know, it's the same thing with MJ bro we still see it with Michael Jackson. To this day, there's always still those people.
Speaker 2:Well, he got proven innocent, bro, and it don't matter.
Speaker 4:It investigated him. It doesn't matter, bro, fine, fine, whatever, and that's the point. Like there's always going to be those people that remember and they're going to continue to bring it up.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, make sure people don't forget are you right, I do all right. I think this is it, though I think, uh, you think you might think it's done. I think this is the last summer, I think drink up. I think it's his last chance.
Speaker 4:The last summer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bro, I think I think this summer he delivers an album and it got some like Hotline Bling type shit on there, some like God's Plan type shit. I think he's back.
Speaker 4:I think that might be the only way to get Everybody back on Drake.
Speaker 2:If not, it's like A retirement album or something. The last summer. Yeah, yeah, it can't be. It can't be no gangster, I'm a killer. Nigga rap. It got to be like some Caribbean. It can't even be Kingpin type of shit.
Speaker 4:I don't want no Kingpin. You know you're sending people, so I don't want to hear none of that.
Speaker 2:It can, but that can't be the hit. Hit got to be some Caribbean fucking Drake with an accent. Yeah, controller, controller, that's what we need Like controller. Controller, that's what we need. Like controller was a hit.
Speaker 2:We need something like that again, drake, don't put on an accent, don't release yeah, because, yeah, I think all his hits with they all kind of caribbean afro beats, really think about it really. So I'm like that's what we need. Again I was the other one and you know one dance like yeah. So all that fake ass like drake does accent on yeah, that's like yeah, that's what I need if drake do something. I like Drake with the melodies.
Speaker 2:I don't like Drake when he act tough. Come on, I'm kind of with him For that one, even though when Drake do act tough, the beats do be hard though I can't lie it be the hardest beats. But I take I gotta hear Drake be like I send 20 niggas To your house. Eh, like I hate, I hate to hear him with his Canadian accent. Shit, god damn it, drake. But I do want to stay on music a little bit.
Speaker 2:Should we go from the pile of LaRussell? Yeah, I don't know if LaRussell's doing this himself. It seems like LaRussell's doing it or whoever is beyond LaRussell, bro, he's been popping on my social media a lot. His marketing team is great. Or if it's him and his people, whatever, very good. Or his tiktok, instagram, youtube, right, he's been popping on my feet a lot, so I try some of his songs. I like le russell man. I feel like he really good bro, he good rapper. Um, I don't know, I I do feel like it's kind of what me and you talked about, like it's not so much shooting up bang, bang killing he make.
Speaker 4:He make rap music for everyday, niggas bro yeah, it's. He lets you know in the song that he has rent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that he's behind on type of shit. Yeah, he's talking about it.
Speaker 4:He's not flexing on you with the chains.
Speaker 2:He's not talking about.
Speaker 4:I got the foreign.
Speaker 2:Nah, yeah, he's just everyday life, type shit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and that's really what I feel like is more popping right now too, as far as like at least what I've been searching for, because I've been on more like the Larry June you know, get your money up, you know like get that shit the legit way bro. Yeah, bro, I'm not trying to Get yourself an LLC, yeah.
Speaker 2:You right, larry June, yeah, let me call Newman right now.
Speaker 4:Yep, stop chasing the hoes Focus. You right, larry June. Yeah, let me call Newman right now. Yup, stop chasing the hoes, focus on the money. You right, larry June, larry June, just be about the business, bro.
Speaker 5:Nah bro, I like Larry.
Speaker 2:June, bro, he's a good rapper. Oh man, larry, june's a really good rapper. Yup, that's what I'm like.
Speaker 4:Honestly, I do be enjoying, because you know what, uh, larry june's one of them niggas.
Speaker 2:He just knows. He just knows what his lane is. Bro, yeah, he's gonna stay in it. Yeah, I honestly respect it. I really do respect it. That's something. I can't be mad at it, um, but yeah, honestly, man, I do, I do like the wrestler. I just wanna I don't know shout him out. That is just all right, bro. He's a very creative artist. That's just pretty dope.
Speaker 4:He's very creative bro. I feel like all his songs that I listen to, bro. It honestly always feels refreshing yeah, they're good songs like something new. You know, they're always catchy yep you know, without being horny yeah, it's just like all right, bro, and the thing is, it's not like anything degenerate either, though you know what I mean and he's and now I can go through me stay real, authentic to himself.
Speaker 2:He real bay area, real Bay Area.
Speaker 4:With it I'll be like seeing what I've seen and that's what I like too, bro you really get that Bay Area feel when you listen to him, bro.
Speaker 2:I saw he had the ballpark for the Giants and that was dope man To see. I know MLB don't really incorporate hip hop too much, yeah, but I guess now they're probably starting to try more. I actually didn't want to ask you about that, bro, what's up? Because I was actually looking at this right, Because I was like you know what? I saw the Russell at the MLB game. Then I played a little demo right of MLB and I was like, okay, it's a cool little game. They had their song selection. Let's see if I can find it. I probably can't find it. God damn it. Ah, fuck it how's it going?
Speaker 2:oh, here you go, yeah it won't be the show, bro. Look at this they got. They got Kendrick All Right, vince Staples got Lil Wayne. Just some of the songs they had in there were hilarious. They got Kendrick Lamar reincarnated. They got Black Thought. They got De La Soul and I was just laughing. I was like MLB just showed us some really black. They got Lupin Fiasco. They just have some really like black hip hop.
Speaker 4:I was just very surprised that they were on that, yeah it's so interesting to see that, bro, because I'll be on tiktok and um, I'll be on like a niche part of tiktok sometimes where it's like people playing like old school, like early 2000s uh, video games so they'll be playing like tony hawk or like madden and shit like that.
Speaker 5:That's pretty cool, and when you listen to the soundtracks, bro.
Speaker 4:It's nothing but just that like alternative rock and roll from that like green day you know, nickelback. Yeah, fucking lincoln park, blink 182 type of shit. You know it's a very like, and then you might have had like one or two rap songs yeah, maybe they stuck to it, you know what I mean. So it's interesting to see how that's just completely flipped now, yeah, bro, and it's just all hip hop and it's like now we might throw you one rock song in there.
Speaker 4:Exactly, or a country song, that kind of bumps Like now you get like three alternatives.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know it's mostly hip hop now yeah. And I guess it does just show like the consumption, like where hip Like.
Speaker 4:Is that okay? I guess what I'm saying is like different forms of entertainment, like video games and movies, when they start using like hip-hop as the primary source for like their soundtracks and everything is that kind of like saying that hip-hop is like the primary what's the word I'm looking for? Like the primary musical force in America now, yeah, bro, you know what I mean Like it's no longer. Rock and roll is like the primary musical export.
Speaker 2:I guess is what.
Speaker 4:I'm thinking of now.
Speaker 2:I think so. I think you know, sometimes people, oh, hip hop's dying. I don't think it's dying, it's like you said, I think it's in a weird space. I do think hip hop's like the most consumed like music, like obviously people have like pop and like you know, sabrina Carpenter and Taylor Swift and shit, but outside of those like pop, pop, pop, it's like it's all hip hop. It's like it's like hip hop and it's like you got Post Malone right now, who's like hip-hop country now, but hip-hop but country and it's like I don't know. I think everyone kind of like stem from hip-hop. Now.
Speaker 4:I think it's kind of like the number one. They use hip-hop as a stepping stone. Yeah, yeah, and it's kind of like I don't know.
Speaker 2:Everyone does it now, from Justin Timberlake, from the OG from early days to the new guys. Now it's even bigger now, yeah, but it's also different, though. Like you said, it's a different place, but it's still the number one consumed. I think now it's just short consumption, like now you like a guy for two months and now you like the next guy. Yeah, it's more like cause, like I do want to ask you but do you think there's like cause for me and you are working at older dog, older dog. We're not that much old, we're still in our 20s, we're not that much older, but it's just funny. We just do see stuff like progress.
Speaker 2:I want to ask you is, um, I know it's a long hip-hop talk, but you know we love music. Yeah, is there a superstar in hip-hop right now? Like, is there a superstar in hip-hop? Yeah, yeah, I'm not trying to name like little wayne the drake, the jay-z, like nah, nah, nah. Like you know what I mean. Like, yeah, like a new era, like like, do we have a superstar or is it I? I want to ask you are the superstars done?
Speaker 4:yeah, I don't think there are any. Kendrick lamar, you know, that's like yeah, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2:I feel like even he's kind of cut from that little cloth a little bit you know, but as far as like new era, like superstars, because, honestly, in my mind, kendrick's almost transcended. Well, kendrick got two more albums, but kendrick's like he's almost hitting that. Yeah, he's almost entering that era where it's like I don't know yeah, no, honestly, I think we're.
Speaker 4:I don't think we'll ever be able to go back to that era of like having a superstar like it's just like it's called drake kendrick, the last superstar yeah, because I feel like the state of music right now. It is so just like based off of consumption okay you know, and um, just even nowadays, to even like make it big in music, you constantly have to put out a lot of music, you know yeah so in putting out a lot of music it kind of takes away from just like the overall value of it.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean and just how long we're able to like sit with it, enjoy it. You know, because back in the day like the biggest thing now is, too, is like we're expecting artists to put out albums, like you know, more than once a year, you know, every year, back in the day, bro, a group will put out an album and bro not put out albums, like you know, more than once a year.
Speaker 4:You know every year back in the day bro a group will put out an album and bro not put out another one for like two, three years.
Speaker 2:Yeah he's got. He's got a mixtape, yeah, you know, and it's just again.
Speaker 4:They would spend that time touring you know, do something else and then working on a whole another project after that I find that's the problem now.
Speaker 2:Now you they give you. It's either you give us a lot of music or you give us an album and you wait five years because you're doing shit on the side. That's nothing to do with music.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and then again too, though Us as just like consumers, though like we expect or we get bored of things very quick.
Speaker 1:So what.
Speaker 4:I've been trying to do lately too, because I feel like myself doing this. I've been trying not to just have music on in the background just to fill up. You know the time.
Speaker 2:You want to listen to it?
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know because you know people just put on music just to kind of just you know, just to have something on just like yeah, and I kind of want to stay away from that too, because it really does take away from the fact that this is art that we're listening to you know what I mean and it really, when you sit there and you just take it for granted, like that again, I feel like you just contribute to um, or you incentivize people to make like more meaningless art, you know, like it's something that does deserve our attention, is something we should be focused in on when we do decide to play music, you know what I mean it should be less of like something to just fill the time or fill the background and more of something that we actively put our attention to and think about from like a a real artistic standpoint you know,
Speaker 2:because there's deep conversations that can be had Like put their like heart and soul, you know yeah.
Speaker 4:People put a lot of time into it and, again, a lot of that deserves for us to dissect it and deeply analyze it. You know that is very true.
Speaker 2:I mean that's kind of make it sad too. Yeah it, you know, that is very true.
Speaker 4:I mean that's kind of make it sad too. Yeah, because again, it is serious too, because the things that we consume are that important, is that deep bro whenever we're listening to music or we're watching movies and stuff. It is that deep, it's never just a show and it's never just music, bro, as long.
Speaker 2:It's always like a hidden message too.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and maybe not even a hidden message. There's a hidden incentive on the other side. What is the person who is making this product trying to accomplish in the end? You?
Speaker 3:know what.
Speaker 4:I mean, what do they want out of making this product?
Speaker 1:You know, what I mean.
Speaker 4:Yes, exactly Because all art. There's a purpose behind art being created. Art is never made just for art's sake. You know what I mean. There's always some type of deeper purpose behind art being created. You know what I mean, Like how you feel or something yeah exactly, or there's deeper societal structures at play, like I'll bring this up, for example, right so um a lot of like art that we deem as like african art or something, right.
Speaker 4:So people go and they'll take a vacation to, like, west africa right, and they'll be like, yeah, you know, I got some art from there, right. A lot of that isn't authentic west african art. And when I say it's not authentic, it was made by west africans, right, but they make it for the sole purpose of selling it to somebody else. It's not art that they make for self-expression it's art that they make for for, uh, for just monetary purposes only you know what I?
Speaker 4:mean yeah, exactly so when you think about the original purpose of like art, when we think, yeah, the trick of Taurus, thinking about like rugs blankets vases you know, uh, carpets tables, you know shit like that is art yeah handcrafted shit. That's art right there right, and all that stuff has a very functional purpose in society you know what I mean, like think about back in the day when you I'm just thinking about, like roman art now so like a roman vase or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:All that has a functional purpose. You know whether it's like carrying water or stuff like that. Yes, and when I think about that now too, it's making me think about how now we substitute like meaningful forms of decoration for the purpose of advertisement. Now, so, think about back then too. They would probably decorate like a pot that holds water right.
Speaker 4:And instead of us decorating stuff that holds water in. It's simply just a place for us to put labels and advertising. You know what I mean. So it takes away from the overall. I mean the labels and the advertising are still art. But when you take a deeper step and ask what's the purpose of? I mean, the labels and the advertising are still art, but when you take a deeper step and ask what's the purpose of this art?
Speaker 4:it's to sell you something. You know what I mean. It's lost of its actual, like, functionality, you know, and it's usefulness.
Speaker 2:You know, hey, I knew I'm going to cook y'all up right now, and that's true. Though I do this thing about paintings, I pop the top of the head, but art is different now.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but that's not even the only form of it, and even then too, paintings had a purpose in society as well back then. You know what I mean Tell stories.
Speaker 4:The thing was, and even beyond, that paintings back in the day used to be a reflection of wealth. Because, again, not to be a reflection of wealth? Because, again, not everybody could afford to to get themselves painted. So whenever you see them old school, like rich white dudes back in the day with like the self-portraits, that's an expression of wealth. That's them trying to flaunt their wealth to other people, because not everybody can afford somebody to come over there and paint you bro like again, and we don't think about that because we're just so used to quick consumption.
Speaker 4:We don't think about the actual time that's invested or the level of intimacy that's required to to make all these things. You know yeah damn. Yeah, you know, it's just something we just look at it we're like, oh, that's sweet bro yeah and it's just like all right, or a light.
Speaker 4:Like I remember, tyler the creator said something one time about putting out an album. He said this on one of his songs and niggas could critique in his album while they listening to it on their lunch break. You know what I mean. And it's like there there's a deeper, there's a deeper message he's getting across.
Speaker 4:You know, he's really getting a deeper message across, bro nigga sure I said, album suck yeah, you know, niggas telling you the album sucks, bro, and they out here listening to it on their lunch break, bro, to try to pass the time niggas can't even make art yeah, you know, they're simply doing it for uh like in a, in a consumptive type of way, bro they're not doing it.
Speaker 2:I've been trying to enjoy it yeah yeah, that makes sense, bro, that do make sense.
Speaker 4:Long story short. It is that serious bro.
Speaker 2:That do make sense, though I'm like damn Freaking. Knew it, Knew we painted.
Speaker 4:Nah, because you know I'm still going to go on a rant right now, that's why I feel like it's really important too, too, bro, that everybody has some type of like creative hobby that they do specifically just for themselves yeah, all right like, because I feel like, yeah, it's such a problem nowadays too, with everybody like it's already hard enough to have hobbies now. But when people do have a hobby, it's always their first thought is how do I try to monetize my?
Speaker 2:hobby instead of just having.
Speaker 4:Yeah instead of just enjoying something for the sake of enjoying it.
Speaker 2:It's like well, I've seen little johnny make money off his hobby, and it's like, and I feel like that's gotta be like that's a, that's a reflection of society.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah of cultural things right now and again when you, because it is that deep too, bro. The fact that people have to spend time trying to monetize their hobbies is a reflection of how the things going on in our society are not enough to sustain us. People have to monetize hobbies because what's going on at work isn't enough to support them in their everyday life, just go to work.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly, it's like damn, I need a. I mean yeah exactly.
Speaker 4:So now we're trying to incorporate making money now while participating in some type of leisurely activity you know what I mean. We're trying to cut it and I feel like it's such a that's such a dangerous space to be in. Right there, bro, I'm trying to monetize fun you know what? I mean really trying to monetize, you know, anything that we do for simple, for simple enjoyment, and trying to make it seem like if we're not making money out of it then it's just a waste oh, I can't do it yeah then it's like we're wasting our time?
Speaker 2:why should I? Why should I draw? Why should I paint? Or why should I tell jokes? Why should I do that? And it's like bro, bro, if you enjoy, like I don't know, you should do that.
Speaker 4:Cause you like to do it. You know what I mean and that's what your spirit wants you to do.
Speaker 2:But now I do find these younger kids don't feel like that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's all about.
Speaker 2:I do find that. How can I make a play?
Speaker 4:And again, too, that's still a societal failure, bro, when you got again. Because, dude, I remember growing up, bro. I remember growing up and I went to a white elementary school, bro, and I remember hearing these white boys when they talked about, like, what your parents did for work, bro, I remember hearing them say the most craziest like random stuff.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know, like some shit you really needed a degree in bro. Nowadays, bro, when you talk to some of these white boys, bro, they're talking about having a side hustle, bro. Again, it's such a cult. It's such a shock to me, bro, because I remember growing up I'd never heard a white boy talk. I've never heard a white boy say hustle before.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, I've never heard a white boy say hustle before you're so now white boys is making content.
Speaker 4:Talk about get yourself a side hustle. A side hustle, a side hustles is for niggas, bro. Side hustles is a, is a, is a, is a people of color thing. People of color had side hustles because they're getting discriminated against in everyday society, so they have to.
Speaker 2:They have to get a side hustle. You should have side hustles for niggas. You know what?
Speaker 4:I, bro, Because you got white boys talking about side hustles, bro. It's nasty. I done seen a white boy in a dicky suit and I seen white boys talking about side hustles. Now, nigga, bro, it's nasty times we're living in when white boys is wearing dicky suits and talking about side hustles, nigga Come on, bro. Seen a white boy in a Ben Davis nigga. Come on, bro. What are we talking about, dude? What happened to the Carhartt? What happened to the Carhartt?
Speaker 2:bro. Oh my gosh, that's crazy, holy shit. Oh man, nah, you ain't lying, though I do be seeing that shit on my reels. Yeah, white boy talking about a side hustle. Here's five side hustles we can do to get you money. A side hustle Cause you know what it was before too.
Speaker 4:I remember when white boys just used to be entrepreneurs.
Speaker 5:Nigga you know what I mean it wasn't a side hustle.
Speaker 2:It was rent a dead company.
Speaker 1:A side hustle.
Speaker 2:It was random dad company. A side hustle, bro. I miss when white boys made rock music.
Speaker 4:Made that shit out the garage nigga and were plumbers.
Speaker 2:Yup, holy shit, man. They don't make them like these two, no more. They don't, bro. And now we got niggas painting their nails. Everyone's backwards, everyone. Everyone's twisted dog.
Speaker 4:Everyone ain't prince dog, everyone ain't rick james hey, that's slowly the times we going back to, though it is dark every nigga has her nails painted at this, and you remember bro, I remember growing up hearing them stories like my mom would tell me when I'd be like, damn, these dudes dress a little flamboyant, She'd be like yeah, but they were tough though, you know, like they smack the fuck out of you type of thing.
Speaker 2:Because now I'm starting to see NFL players 6'4", 260 linebackers You're wearing a crop top. Bro got blue nails.
Speaker 4:I'm like yo he's got a crop top with his nails painted.
Speaker 2:I know. And then I'm like oh okay, something must. Then I look, you got a wife and kids family. I'm like what's going on here? He go to church every Sunday. I'm like what the fuck dude? What's going on here, man? Either he's lying to us or something. Nope, he just, he just.
Speaker 4:Nah, the only thing they have, right though bro Dude, I'm, I hope, I feel like we starting to go back to the era, though, of of long, long shorts. I appreciate it how we, we, we, we left that time and niggas was going to the, you know, the hoochie daddy shorts you know, but now I feel like niggas is trying to go back to the long the Jordan's long ones, yeah N you know.
Speaker 2:But now I feel like niggas is trying to go back to the long the jordan's long ones, bro. I was cool with the six inch inseam bro I was cool with that niggas going back to 12 inches yeah, I don't need this shit going past the knee, bro, I don't need to pass the knee bro, I like the john cenas. They stop right there. Yep, I go any lower than. That's gross, you ain.
Speaker 4:You ain't lying bro, it's coming back bro.
Speaker 2:They gotta stop. They need to get on. I don't know. Fashion's all over the place all the time.
Speaker 1:They need to stop.
Speaker 2:They need to get a hold of themselves. Alright, they need to get a hold of themselves, man. It's all good, though, man Freaking. Keep a little, push in bro. Let's go to sports a little bit bro.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I got to ask you, bro, you see any NBA playoff games yet?
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I peeped that Nuggets game yesterday. What was it? Nuggets Clippers. Nuggets, clippers, yeah, I also peeped the Pistons and the Knicks. Yeah, that was a good game Because you know I've been peeping it now too, because I'm glad for the playoffs. They got a lot of that shit on Max.
Speaker 3:So I don't got to go and try to.
Speaker 2:Hunt it down.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know, it's just all on Max. So that's cool, man. I've been able to watch some good basketball, bro. It's very interesting seeing the Pistons pistons, bro turn that shit around pistons look good.
Speaker 2:Lakers lost game one, but yeah, I mean how many times the team gonna shoot 52 for three, you know?
Speaker 4:what a side note though, bro again, man, I'm so glad I'm always bro. We always on the right side of history. Bro, what happened? I told you that nigga anthony davis was the most injury oh, yeah, ever bro bro, I've been saying it bro, I'm glad, I'm glad we had it on wax.
Speaker 2:I said it bro I said it first.
Speaker 4:God bro, getting rid of him was bro it was good bro. It was good man because bro, can you believe if niggas got rid of braun and kept ad that?
Speaker 2:would have been so soon. You know, yeah, man ad f a bad, but bro.
Speaker 4:this is I don't bro. It's been happening for like 10 years now, bro.
Speaker 2:It has been like 10 years. But hey, honestly, shout out to AD man, you got us Luca, so you got us a ring. Shout out to AD, bro, that's a win-win, bro.
Speaker 4:You really did sneak that ring in there, bro.
Speaker 2:He came back healthy because the covet, so he got three months to rest.
Speaker 4:It's interesting too, bro, because it's like how do you rank ad with other? Power forwards all time, bro? Because I know, bro, I I'll be online sometimes and niggas talking about ad's like bro, top 10, power forwards all time, and I'm like top 10, he's top 10, top 10, bro, top 10 power forwards all the time, and I'm like top 10? He's top 10. Top 10? Yeah, he's top 10. Y'all are bugging, bro. No, we're not, y'all are bugging, he's top 10, bro?
Speaker 5:No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2:But he got like what two people's player of the year awards? No, he doesn't.
Speaker 4:He never actually won. I don't think he has any, bro, never mind, I don't think he has any, unless I'm thinking he got some in New Orleans. That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 3:Was it New Orleans? Maybe it was New Orleans.
Speaker 2:He never got one in New Orleans, maybe it was you know what.
Speaker 4:If he got some in New Orleans, my bad. Maybe I really just slept on how?
Speaker 2:No, actually I don't think he got it. Yeah, you're right, he never got it.
Speaker 4:I think he might have been like the rebounder blocks leader.
Speaker 2:He was all defense first team. Yeah, you're right. Okay, he's top 10 power forward. I don't got him top 10.
Speaker 4:There's way too many niggas. I got over him bro.
Speaker 2:No, you don't, You're just saying that, bro.
Speaker 3:I'm not.
Speaker 2:Yes, you are, I'm being for reals.
Speaker 4:You just don't like him, nah cause the thing is, I do like him. I just don't think he's top 10 cause if we being for reals, bro, I got a nigga like I got Chris Bosh over AD I got.
Speaker 3:Chris Bosh over AD.
Speaker 4:I got Timberwolves K-Love bro. If we being honest, bro, all time I got Draymond over AD, bro, draymond is more impactful. You did not say no he no he is, he's more impactful and contributes more to winning than ad ever has no, that's newman, stop no I'm and I'm being dead ass bro, I'll die on that hill I die
Speaker 4:on that hill I got draymond draymond, unlike ad, really do got some defensive player of the year awards all right, he really do. Got some defensive player of the year awards Most unselfish nigga. If we being for reals, bro Warriors aren't a dynasty without Draymond bro. No, you're right, but stop. I got Draymond, bro. I got Draymond. That's why I'm like there's no way, he's top 10 Draymond. And it's all because I feel like people Only put him top 10 too Because he got that Sneaky bubble ring. Cause, if he doesn't have the bubble ring, it's not even about the ring.
Speaker 2:It's about his stats, bro. He put up mad numbers. Eh, mad numbers don't mean nothing, bro.
Speaker 4:That's the same thing, that's how I'm saying, but that's what these new niggas think James Harden is better than Rachel Miller.
Speaker 2:Okay, he's better than Ray Allen.
Speaker 4:Okay, okay, I'll give him that.
Speaker 2:James Harden is probably like five. He's probably like five for me.
Speaker 4:Niggas got James Harden at two. Nah, they got at Michael Jordan, james Harden.
Speaker 2:Nah, I can't do that.
Speaker 4:Bro, because then it gets even nastier.
Speaker 2:They got him over Wade and Kobe.
Speaker 4:Bro, do you got James Harden over Iverson? Because niggas got James Harden over Iverson, and that's what I'm saying. I'm like James Harden's not even better than AI. He is not.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 4:He is not necessary for not Necessary, for winning. They don't even play the same. They got him over AI.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess technically In stats, but I mean, that doesn't mean anything. I got AI over him, though. I got AI over Harden and that's how I feel about AD.
Speaker 4:Like you, could have a stats, bro, I don't think you're better than Any of these guys who play.
Speaker 2:I truly do think AD AD's up there, bro. I can't lie, he's top 10 cause, honestly, if I name my top 10, there's no way he's in there name it right now alright, alright, dunkey, tim Duncan.
Speaker 4:KG K of course Dirk of Of course Carl.
Speaker 2:Malone, the pedophile, of course, okay.
Speaker 4:Charles Barkley, charles Barkley, I'm going to put Giannis in there.
Speaker 2:Oh, you got to put Giannis in there.
Speaker 4:I got Giannis in there, draymond.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 4:Now, this is where I feel like I might be missing a few right now Hang on, hang on, you know I even got Chris Bosh.
Speaker 2:I'll pull up Chris Bosh K-Love. Oh, do you?
Speaker 4:put Dennis Rodman in there, and you see, that's what I'm talking about, bro, when we're really talking about who is more necessary for winning Okay okay, okay, okay, yeah, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:You kind of make a point.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'll take the nigga who. You know what. Maybe he was averaging two points a game, but he was also averaging 19 rebounds a game, you make a point, newt, you make a point 19 rebounds. A game locking down Shaq.
Speaker 2:And you know I'm biased.
Speaker 4:You know, there's something we ain't mentioned.
Speaker 2:I think I do, and you know, I'm not even like the craziest Pau Gasol fan.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, exactly but I think I might have Pau Gasol, I might take Pau Pau at heart.
Speaker 2:Yes, kobe's punching that nigga dead in the chest, bro. He has way more durability and longevity than AD bro, I might Pau at heart, bro, I can't lie and that matters, bro, I might take Powell over AD.
Speaker 4:That matters. I'd much rather take 18 years of Powell Gasol being solid than five seasons of AD being elite, okay, he might be.
Speaker 2:That's a tough one AD top 10. Ad's not top 10, bro, he might be bro.
Speaker 4:He's not top five, he's not top eight, not even close Because, honestly, if he's top 10, he's like nine or ten, yeah, he's fighting for that ninth, or tenth spot right there.
Speaker 2:Because it depends who you ask. If you ask the OG, they might throw him, like Kevin McHale there.
Speaker 5:So it's like eh, Now you start getting nasty. Nigga Moses Malone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Like okay, Just a big with some rings, Like that's an OG. He gets a little tough, yeah, Because then too, like what do you consider a nigga like David Robinson too, bro, you know what I mean. A nigga who? Borders on like power forward center type of deal.
Speaker 2:Yeah center, center, I'll go him center, I'm going to go him center. Well, that's just kind of tough. Yeah, I don't know, man, I hope LeBron gets it done, though I know it's the playoffs right now. The Lakers man I know we got rid of AD. I know I know Luke doesn't play a lot of defense, but, yeah, game 1 wasn't the best game. By the time this comes out tomorrow, game 2 will be done. So either we're down 0-2, which I don't think is going to happen I think it'll be 1-1 tomorrow morning when you wake up and you guys listen to this one one, but I don't know. I think we think brian ad gets done tonight or ad brown. Look at me reminiscing brown, look good done tonight?
Speaker 4:I don't know, bro, honestly are.
Speaker 2:Do you think? You think?
Speaker 4:I think we we bounce out and we need to rebuild in the summer and get some real pieces because I got the Dude, because it's one of those things, too, to where I feel like the Lakers can be competitive if they're playing an opponent who isn't 100% healthy bro. Yeah exactly, and that's the same thing with the Warriors as well. I can see the Warriors making a deep run if they're playing a team that's not at 100% capacity. Yeah, because.
Speaker 2:Well, now the Warriors got the young bucks, so they're actually a team that's not at 100% capacity.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because Well, now the Warriors got the young bucks, so they're actually doing pretty good with the young bucks over there, but then they also got nigga playoff, Jimmy you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I think that's what's pushing them over the hump. They got playoff Jimmy and the Rockets got a star Rockets, a bunch of young cats.
Speaker 4:But yeah, and so back to the lakers. It's tough, um, yeah, I think they might get, I don't know especially against the wolves. So I feel like the wolves are a tough team. I feel like, um, they, they had a very deep playoff run last year so they're seasoned yeah, they're more seasoned, it's not. Uh, there's no, bro. There's no easy, easy opponents in the west, bro, no there's not, you know. And the lakers, if they've shown me anything, they're really good at not winning the games that they're supposed to win.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they play down a lot, you know, that's one thing I've noticed about the Lakers they play down a lot.
Speaker 4:So we'll see. So we'll see. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I'm not going to believe in them. O2 at home is crazy. You can pack them up. You can pack them up. It's like you said, it's still early. I like the K Knicks Detroit. I like that series. K balling Sean he here. I do like that series a lot.
Speaker 4:That's interesting. I feel like this playoff in general, bro, we're going to start seeing a lot of these like younger cats, make a name for themselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, I think it's that time. So I'm interested to see who makes it to the next round. Uh-huh, because it could be shit. K, it could be Luka. Yeah, ant-man back up in the mix, and you also got them young boys, the Rockets. There's a bunch of Young stars.
Speaker 4:I don't think the Rockets are serious, though I feel like they have a really solid squad.
Speaker 2:Really good team, though I feel like 1 through 7, really good team.
Speaker 4:Jalen Green just again. Some of the people who they have a primary investment in bro is not completely in basketball.
Speaker 2:He's not a superstar either.
Speaker 4:Yeah, jalen Green's out here. It's all about the IG, hoes.
Speaker 2:No, he's married, bro, he here. You know, it's all about the ig hoes and no, he's married, bro. He just happens to be married to someone who has a 22 year old son. Like I said, bro, he just married. He just married to an ig vet. He's, or not, on the ig.
Speaker 4:So the woman he's married to her son is like two years younger than him.
Speaker 2:No, they're the same as like age okay, exactly so her.
Speaker 4:Her son is his homie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, and now she has a son with him or a daughter or whatever.
Speaker 4:Like I said, bro, it's not serious with these niggas, bro, he be distracted sometimes. These niggas are not serious bro.
Speaker 2:That is sick, though. I can't even lie.
Speaker 4:They need some better vets in the locker room.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think old Dylan Brooks is cutting it. Dylan Brooks, I don't think that's a good vet to have. You need a little more than that. Yeah, the playoffs is coming, man. I don't know. It's interesting. Probably, the more deeper it gets, the more I watch, the more. Yeah, I think it's interesting. Right now, though, I do think it's interesting. Stay on sports, man, did you see UFC 2? Was it 314?
Speaker 2:Yeah man, last week how'd you feel, man Dude? I caught some of those fights, bro. It was good. It was good, bro, it was a good card.
Speaker 4:Man, I feel like Dana needed a card like that bro he's been on some, you know, on just a bad streak of just some shitty cards. Bro. That was very true, some, some very shitty cards. Man, I thought it was good um some surprises in there, bro you know um man I'm gonna say right now bro, I was wrong about patty, not gonna lie I really thought yeah, I thought patty, bro.
Speaker 4:I thought I thought he wasn't gonna be locked in. You know, I he was serious. Not only am I surprised that patty won, I'm surprised he like dogged walk, fucking michael chandler the way he won yeah that's what it is too like. I thought too, if there was a split chance, patty would win. It'd be like a dog fight, yeah yeah you know what I mean?
Speaker 5:I think it's gonna be, that bro he's straight, bro.
Speaker 4:He had michael chandler looking like a scrub he was looking at beckon for life.
Speaker 2:He just bled all over yeah, probably dropping elbows yeah, I was.
Speaker 4:I was thoroughly impressed with Patty. Bro, I was completely wrong. His next fight is going to be interesting. Yeah, who are they setting him up with next?
Speaker 2:There's all types. There's talks of Armand. There's talks of Gaethje. I think Armand's a good one. There's talks of Dustin. Yeah, I don't want that being Dustin's retirement fight, because what do you do if Dustin wins? Yeah, you try to get him, but I don't know.
Speaker 4:No, I think Patty versus Armand is a good one. You give him somebody who's also not serious.
Speaker 2:The other one is Charles.
Speaker 4:No, I don't want to give him Charles, I feel because Armand has to prove that he has the discipline to even compete for the belt again after that fucking bullshit. He was on, bro. He has to go and he has to take another part what if?
Speaker 2:Ilya fights for the belt, then who's Charles going to fight? Charles might need an opponent.
Speaker 4:Charles rest, bro. There's going to be another opponent bro. Yeah, you're right, I don't know. I hate that the division's so clogged up right now, though. Opponent charles rest bro. There's gonna be another opponent bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right, you're right, no I don't know I hate that the division's so um, clogged up right now though. Yeah, because now what gaethje went into her? Dana said gaethje might be up for the boat he's not and he's not.
Speaker 4:It's so clogged. No, he's not. I mean again dana. I know dana likes having a nigga like gaethje in the tuck, because you can have him come like show up, you know much notice.
Speaker 2:Maybe he knocks out Islam. Yeah, much notice, and you?
Speaker 4:know he's going to go out there and compete and you know you're going to. You're going to get some viewers, you know. So yeah, gaethje is always going to be in the talks. Yeah, you know, because you know there's no telling who the fuck's going to fall through.
Speaker 2:Especially after a win.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but as far as seriously being competitive and really winning the belt bro.
Speaker 2:I don't want to see him fight Islam. I can't lie I guess I get confused that technically all these dudes fought Khabib, so it's just funny when I see him on the second time around fight. Islam and I'm like, oh, it's the same shit.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's his little cousin.
Speaker 4:So it the same shit? Yeah, it's just little cousins, so it's the same thing. Yeah, and they're not.
Speaker 2:They're not beating islam, bro I feel like islam is better than khabib, bro. Yeah, he's different, he's different man. So yeah, I don't know man, I do feel kind of bad. I am excited for, um bro, you saw, gene silva oh yeah oh yeah, hell yeah, man fuck he put bryce mitch Mitchell to sleep.
Speaker 4:Dude. Fuck Bryce Mitchell man. He's such a piece of shit, dude.
Speaker 2:Bryce Mitchell got put to sleep. I don't know. Bryce Mitchell had some weird comments a few months ago at this point about like.
Speaker 4:Bro, it has some fucking pro-Hitler comments bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah he was saying that Hitler was right. I don't know, it was crazy. It was crazy. It seems just very like okay, if it's not white, bryce Minster's not liking it, yeah, so I'll just have to see him get his fucking, his neck, choked up and wrung up a little bit, because you know it was after those comments where I was like, yeah, when I really thought about it, I was like this is just a white dude from Missouri, yeah, who am I kidding? Oh, of course.
Speaker 4:Like why am I so surprised?
Speaker 2:I'm like who am I kidding? I'm like he has camel shorts. Who the fuck wants special camel shorts man? A grown-ass man, the fuck, bro. But hey, you're right. That's why I thought I'm like a little suspicious. You can go hunting. It's all good though, bro. That made me feel good. Bro, that was a good one, it's always good.
Speaker 4:It's always good watching a racist white boy get beat up.
Speaker 2:I love to see. I love to see it. It's always good. I love to see it. What was it? The co-main Patty won. His next opponent is going to be interesting. Volk came back. Man Volk came back. Man Volk vs Diego Lopez. Volk came back. Looked good Got lumped up a little bit but bro Honestly watching Volk. He looked good, though. Yeah, like.
Speaker 4:I was really watching him, bro, and I'm really thinking like Yo Volk Is definitely Like top 3 yeah, volk's good Volk's good Volk is yeah, volk could easily Went in there.
Speaker 2:And I mean he, he got knocked down early in the fight and he could easily packed it up. Yeah, he stayed in there, you know.
Speaker 4:So I gotta give him Bro his just fight IQ is just so different, bro, because again, it's one of those things like Volk is always the shorter guy, you know, and you could never tell based off of how the fight's going. He's always the one putting the pressure on them. You know what I mean Keeping distance. Yeah, and it doesn't matter who his opponent's been, bro, they've never been able to just control the distance and the spacing with Volker yeah exactly.
Speaker 4:He has such a high IQ with just knowing his spacing and everything, bro it's like even his losses.
Speaker 2:He got caught. It's getting caught with stuff.
Speaker 4:Who did he lose, bro? You lost to ilia taporia and islam.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly like like two killers. So I'm like come on, dude, you know voight naal volk's definitely like top, all-time featherweight goat. Yeah, like it's. Yeah, he's up there so it was. It was very impressive I'm excited to see who he defends.
Speaker 4:It was a yeah it was a really good fight, bro. I'm really glad to see that there's a second defensive.
Speaker 2:Yeah it was a really good fight, bro.
Speaker 4:I'm really glad to see that there's a second. There's a second reign of volt coming, coming around so he might fight yair again.
Speaker 2:That'll be interesting. I want to see that yair look good.
Speaker 4:I want to see that because I feel like since deporia is out of here, bro, yeah it's why I feel like, bro, who right back?
Speaker 2:who's gonna stop? Yeah, run it back, then let's see who's gonna stop him?
Speaker 2:so I'm excited, man, you know? Um, I want to. Did you see the announcement that was made with Dana? What's up? Amanda Nunez is going to come back and get the winner of Kayla Harrison and Julia Pena. Who? Amanda Nunez, she's going to come back and get the winner of Kayla Harrison and Julia Pena. Dude, I knew this super fight was coming. It's not even a super fight, bro, it's because old girl came from PFL. They're just trying to set up for her to win.
Speaker 4:Bro, they got to stop trying to sell us on these old stars bro, because again now, whenever I hear Amanda Nunez bro, it almost gives me the same feeling when I hear Tony Ferguson.
Speaker 1:Don't try to sell me on Tony Ferguson, nigga, don't try to sell me on Tony Ferguson, nigga.
Speaker 4:Don't try to sell me on the Jose Aldo, all right. Don't try to sell me on the old heads all right and the nostalgia. All right, I don't care.
Speaker 2:Bro, I'm off the Conor train. Yeah, don't try to sell me on.
Speaker 4:Ooh, Conor's making a comeback. I'm off it, bro, no Say 2012. It bro, it's in 2016 I want to see him fight some serious fucking contenders bro yeah, they're trying to get amanda because you know.
Speaker 2:You know dana wants to hold because the old girl came from pfl. Kayla came from pfl a few years ago, so you know I'm trying to get this fight for a few years.
Speaker 4:So but you know what too? I'm gonna continue to die on this hill, bro. There's like a deeper. It almost feels like a cold war going on right now as far as like um the mma world, bro, because, again, bro, there is so much talent in asia yeah when it comes to like mma and specifically like muay thai. You know, there's so many um people who are capable of fighting and like the flyweight division yeah you know the bantamweight division which is where we have trouble sometimes.
Speaker 4:Yeah, which is yeah, which is where bro dana's fucking struggling to find talent and it's like, bro, they have people in thailand specifically bro who've been fighting since they're seven years old yeah they've been doing muay thai since they're seven teach them a little wrestling, you know bro teach them some fucking wrestling that'd be all right and bro, it works. It works for everybody else, it works for izzy yeah, yeah, it worked for for potan like you know and to me the fact that dana doesn't do it and there's such like there. There's something.
Speaker 2:There's something there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there's something there feels like there's a deeper thing that he's trying to stop.
Speaker 2:I think it's something low-key deeper. I think it's something like Territory Wars shit. I think it's some shit like yo. I think low-key things have an unspoken rule. Or it's like Dana's like yo I get Dagestanestan, I get this and one's like thailand this is mine, they got all asia. That's kind of how it feels like it feels like it feels like one, like you says mostly asia and it feels like dana, like handpicks, like certain places.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean I feel like it's, but he never goes to wrestling dominant places.
Speaker 2:He never goes to thailand. It feels like he never goes to some of those asian, like you said.
Speaker 4:Bro, and there's so many great fighters out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll watch a little bit of one with you, bro. It's just tough.
Speaker 4:Watch, bro. When you watch their stand-up game in one championship, compared to the stand-up game in UFC, it's night and day, bro. It's night and day I say it all the time, bro, one has way better strikers it's just, it's just like you said. It's just better all around, yeah, yeah they got better MMA, but when you have but striking, no, not even.
Speaker 2:That's what the casual fan wants to watch, which is the funniest part.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they don't want to watch a motherfucker who knows how to fucking grapple. You know they don't want to watch somebody who's the national champ in Dagestan yeah wrestling. You know, to them it's just oh, it's a bunch of crotch sniffing.
Speaker 2:I enjoy that. Yeah, we respect it though, because we know it's so much skill that it's involved. It's so technical, bro, it's so hard.
Speaker 4:I always get reminded, though, whenever I watch UFC with my girl and they go to the ground and she's just like, oh my gosh, this is so boring. I'm like all entertained and shit, and she's like this looks kind of gay. I'm like you're just not seeing it right now?
Speaker 2:No, I do. I hate when the crowd starts booing too and it's like damn, I'm ruining the vibe.
Speaker 4:Because you know what, the only time where I feel like the booing is acceptable is when they're just clenched up against the fence.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4:When they're just hugging againstambles going on on the ground bro.
Speaker 2:Bro, exactly, it's a good dogfight. I'm with it, bro.
Speaker 4:But yeah, no, I really wish Dana would just invest in going over there, and it really just makes me think, though he just wants to maintain this idea of, like wrestling and grappling as being, like, the superior style of fighting you know, Because again too, they have that striking shit on lock over there.
Speaker 5:Nah, they do bro, they got it on lock, it's different.
Speaker 2:Bro, it's nasty, it's different, you know. But as far as wrestling, though, then you switch it up. Man, I'm with you. Oh, I did want to talk to you about how it's crazy seeing people who were in, like Sandy Hook and shit, get shot down in college.
Speaker 4:Oh, let's get into that, let's get into that. We'll get into, because we might get into Sinners next week. So I'm going to watch it this weekend.
Speaker 2:All right, a little more serious now we're going to switch it up a little bit. We're going to switch it up so you know the newest shooting. Of course, our rest in peace and shout out to the victims, families and stuff like that first. But you know the news shooting fsu, right, fsu shooting. Um, I saw a young girl man on the on the news and I think she was in um the parkland, the parkland shooting, I think. So I don't know if that was a high school or junior high, I think it was high school, junior high, right, something, something like that. Anyways. So you know ourfps and prayers to everyone.
Speaker 2:But it was sad to see her come on the tv screen saying she never thought. She said I never thought I experienced being in a, you know, a mass shooting. And she said I definitely never thought I experienced being a mass shooting twice. You know what I mean. So I can't even talk to you, man, I know, I know you can't be deeper into some of this stuff, like as a society. Man, how does it feel to see some people now being like one, two, three. It's like damn. I went to Sandy Hook. Then I happen to be at this concert. I went here and now I'm at this college that gets shut up. My mom was at Virginia Tech. There's all types of things you hear from people nowadays. It's like reoccurring things in people's life, like as a society, how do we, like I don't know, how do we stop that? Like? How do we like I don't know, it's nasty to see this man.
Speaker 4:Well, um, I feel like it's not gonna stop, bro. We're never gonna see an end to it. Um until um, we're just not going to see an end to it because, for one bro, gun culture is very much intertwined with white culture in america. So think about it like this. All right, why is it when, like, we see these mass shootings go on? It's like there's no way we could ever try to implement laws, um, about guns, and it's like we shouldn't have this discussion about, you know, access to weapons carrying?
Speaker 4:weapons, this and that you know, but when? To weapons, carrying weapons, this and that you know. But when we see like other acts of violence, like, more specifically, I'm thinking about Carmelo Anthony- oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So dude had what a cleat sharpener. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:They're talking about he had a knife and they go and they try to villainize him. You know what I mean. And it's just interesting to see that there's no type of villainization for when it comes to guns and other type of assault weapons. You know what I mean. There's always some type of excuse made as to why somebody is allowed to have it and justified in using it.
Speaker 2:He got bullied because he was able to shoot his friends Like what, using it? He?
Speaker 4:got bullied so he was able to shoot his friends. So it's interesting to see how, when it's white folks with guns that we're even able to have, we have to have a talk about it, but when it's, it could never be.
Speaker 2:We know it could never be a black man with a gun to do something like that I guess I'm trying to ask why do they always get treated like bro, like in the past? They oh bro, shop the church dog and they got taken to fucking Burger King.
Speaker 4:Because, again, it's part of white supremacist culture bro.
Speaker 2:You got a cell phone. It's like bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah Think about this, bro.
Speaker 4:Think about the inherent contradiction of white folks being like really pro-gun rights rights but, then really pro-police, like really think about this. It's really a contradiction to be for both of those things simultaneously.
Speaker 2:Or they don't trust the government, but they trust the police, exactly.
Speaker 4:Exactly Because, again, our whole reasoning for the Second Amendment is to be able to defend yourself against the tyrannical government. Yeah, okay. So again, when we think about a tyrannical government, it isn't simply, you know, judges make these laws and then you know, everything's changed. Somebody has to enforce the law that's being implemented. So who is the arm of the government to enforce the tyranny? It's the police yeah, you know what I mean. So again, to be pro-police and to be pro-second amendment are inherently at odds with each other because again you're only pro-second amendment to defend yourself against possible tyranny.
Speaker 4:But here you are.
Speaker 2:That's not how they do it voting for tyranny, but again.
Speaker 4:So now, when we think about that, why so? What is the the logic behind it then, if they're supporting two contradictory you know, you know people, people, you know people view it.
Speaker 2:People feel it's like an amendment. As I can't wait to kill a motherfucker. Once I get on my property I'll tell people view that and again and that makes sense, though, too.
Speaker 4:I completely understand that really, really think about this. I understand the idea of we need guns to defend our property, so why the fuck do we need to give the police guns?
Speaker 3:That's the point, that's the contradiction, right there.
Speaker 4:Again, yes, you can't have both. You have to have one or the other. It's either we arm the police and they they handle the violence you know what? I mean, or we arm ourselves and we handle the violence ourselves but, again. You can't simultaneously be for them having weapons and talk about.
Speaker 2:We need guns to defend ourselves against the government and for the government.
Speaker 4:So now it lets me know that they aren't really arming themselves. You know, for a tyrannical government. You know that they aren't really arming themselves. You know for a tyrannical government. You know because they only believe a government can be tyrannical if black people are leading it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what that inherently says right now.
Speaker 4:If black people are involved in the government and there was tyrannical or any type of other minority group who's trying to push the interests that they don't agree with, then it's tyrannical.
Speaker 2:Oh fuck, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:So it comes back again. I remember we had a conversation off Mike when we were talking about like man, do you think a civil war would ever happen?
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 4:And my question was if a civil war did happen what side? Would the police be on? You know what I mean, because that's, bro, that's a very serious question. Who is the police siding with? I fight.
Speaker 2:You know what? I'm fired. At that point people decide what. Their own side, though what's their own side what's their own side, their own personal beliefs? Yeah what?
Speaker 4:what does that mean exactly, though? Decide what your own personal beliefs you know again, because if you believe that you know, you need a gun to defend yourself from the government. How can you align with the government? Yeah, exactly and again it's you can align with the government. You could align with the government when there are other white folks but if it's niggas, then it's now. We have to start forming our own factions.
Speaker 2:We don't trust the government militias. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Don't vote kamala in there, yeah yeah, because that's when it's like you know. So again they have both of these things simultaneously going on with being pro-gun and pro-police you know, as a way.
Speaker 2:And then the kid, didn't the kid get the gun from his mom. Doing she a cop too, or ex-cop, right? Right, wasn't she too, bro, right, yeah, yeah, that's guys. I'm like, yeah, that's crazy how that worked you know what I mean I'm like, yeah, I'm like we got the gun from an ex-cop, his own mom. And then you saw what he said too right, his little, his little manifesto, talking about like he want to kill niggers and stuff oh yeah, and then I also seen too, though um, we're in a dark time, bro dude, there's like um
Speaker 4:dark energy like right wing fucking white supremacists who are out here trying to like instigate, like racial, like tension oh yeah, I saw that they were trying to use the the kids and the carmelo thing too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I saw that and the dad was like stop using my son's face. Yeah, bro.
Speaker 4:It's nasty, yeah. So again, it's all tied in together with this use of like weapons and this discussion.
Speaker 2:I know we're having two different discussions right now, guys, but they both correlate. Yeah, they both correlate.
Speaker 4:It's both intertwined. When we talk about who's allowed to use violence and when violence is justified yeah, exactly, violence and when violence is justified, you know what I mean? Because, again, there's racial implications to who is justified in defending themselves, or who's the aggressor and who's not the aggressor yeah exactly Because the other situation we're talking about.
Speaker 2:if you guys, I don't know, everyone probably never seen that one the Carmelo Anthony situation. It was a boy down in Texas, Tennessee, I think.
Speaker 4:Tennessee. Yeah, I think it was Tennessee or something like that okay, one of those southern states are.
Speaker 2:I know more information keeps coming out more and more. But I know he was asked to remove. You know his two brothers kind of pulled up on him and you know, got aggressive with him. I guess they try to like jump on him and smash his phone, you know, and they were like you know you should move. I heard some slurs thrown at him and stuff like that and, like you said, he ended up just poking the kid real quick with the cleat sharpener. You know, sadly the kid passed away. He wasn't trying to kill the kid, he was trying to defend himself.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he was defending himself.
Speaker 2:These are all kids, you know. You know what I mean. These are all just high schoolers. The whole point was they try to make it seem like you know he was some like black angry guy. I saw they try to post pictures of him on the internet with guns out of nowhere. And it was, and it was funny cause they're a BB gun. Do you know what I mean? And then again.
Speaker 4:What does that mean, though, when we live in a society that we're supposed to be pro?
Speaker 3:second amendment that's what's crazy.
Speaker 4:But niggas can be second amendment.
Speaker 2:Cause we Second Amendment? Because we're aggressive.
Speaker 4:That's what that says right there, if they ever try to use pictures of us with guns as a way to criminalize us how can that possibly criminalize us when that's the Second Amendment? That's the second one. That shit was deemed so important that it needed to be put after free speech.
Speaker 2:Especially in those southern states. They really believe in that, yeah, and he's in a stand-your-ground state too, bro. So that's why I get interested.
Speaker 4:It's again like again, these ideas of self-defense, bro, are so like they don't apply to us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're made up. That's what they don't want to say.
Speaker 4:They're made up and they always move the goalposts and we see this all the time in other and that and it's like dude the. The title of citizen is so fucking arbitrary bro that shit could change, you know, in an instance and what does it mean, bro? Yeah, you know. So it's like. It's like when we start using those types of words or we start trying to quote the Second Amendment and you know, try to come up with all these like just straw man ideologies to try to support what the fuck we're trying to do right now, bro?
Speaker 4:It's not allowing us to see that. It's inherently contradicting everything else in society right now, you know. That's true, though, and it makes us and to like, ignore it, bro it it's. It makes us go crazy in a sense, bro, having to consistently have these arguments. We we see all the time people trying to justify.
Speaker 2:You know was Carmelo Anthony right in defending himself, and again those arguments waste so much fucking time and then they're like, oh, he was black, he's aggressive, he's white, he's this, he's that, and it's like, yeah, but we don't get nowhere the deeper the deeper thought is that, where I come from, is that these boys felt so empowered to come bully a black kid.
Speaker 2:you know, that's where I kind of come from. Like our society, bro, we empowered these kids to go bully another race. Like that's kind of sad, bro, to the point where this kid felt like his only thing to do was to fucking take something you know and run. Like he literally just ran. So it wasn't like he stayed and tried to stab him five times. Like this would be a completely different story if you told me oh, he stabbed him ten times. It's like, bro, he poked him and ran.
Speaker 2:Obviously he didn't want the kid to die. It was a fucking track meet. Motherfucker was trying to run track. He didn't want the kid. That's why shout out to that dad for standing up, bro. Obviously I know it's sad bro. He lost a son. Bro. I know, bro, kids be kids, bro, I've been a teenager, bro, I've been bullshitting before. I get it, bro, I just started some shit. I get it, man. But no one wants their son to die over some bullying bullshit. So I get him standing there like hey, stop using my son for these racist protests, leave my son rest. This wasn't no race. This was some kids who probably shouldn't have been.
Speaker 4:yeah, his son made a mistake yeah, you know what I mean, but his son wasn't no antifa kkk.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. So let's not use him. That's why I respect the dad for being like. Nah, don't include me in this bullshit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like but pretty much the reason why I just tied both of those together is because I feel like the underlying thing that makes them both similar yeah is like the white, the white supremacist culture yeah, in america. You know what I mean that allows for these types of things to continue to happen some things are acceptable, some things are not you know, and for us to again continue to have these same conversations every time over my little timothy, do it yeah, because, again, bro, it's how many more times?
Speaker 4:because, like when we're talking about, uh, you mentioned like the parkland shooting or sandy hook, and you're like, is that a high school or middle school? It's how many more times? Because, like, when we're talking about, you mentioned like the Parkland shooting or Sandy Hook, and you're like is that a high school or middle school? It's like dude. I can't remember because we've had so many bro.
Speaker 4:And we had all levels at this point oh yeah, at this point, when I think about mass shootings, I'm combining some mass shootings in my mind. You know what I mean. Like yeah, the movie theater when you're thinking about the school. It's so many, oh wait, like two happened in Colorado.
Speaker 2:Wait, wait, the OG happened.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know, you're like oh, what part of Texas are we talking about?
Speaker 2:We talking about El Paso we talking about so-and-so.
Speaker 4:That's why I know it's gross.
Speaker 2:You know. So again, it's just we, just how you entwined it, though it's more of like the whole aggressor culture and how, like I don't know man, I know we're making this racy, but it is a little racy though.
Speaker 1:It is racy, it's completely racy bro.
Speaker 2:Because you got to think, like, bro, we always get taken in body bags, most of the time right. And it's like, bro, most mass murderers and shooters like you look them up online, most of them like got taken safely and if they didn't get taken safely, they killed themselves. So it's like when we see, you know, rp Trayvon, and you see a guy like Joseph Rimmel Fucking, sign, skittles At press conferences and like sell the gun he used to kill Trayvon yeah, you know what I mean. And it's like he's okay to this day. He got money from killing a young black kid. And it's like, oh, you see a young black kid accidentally kill somebody, defend himself. It's sad, bro. And it's like, oh well, you should kill him, give him death penalty. It's like, bro, that was just an accident, bro, that far, and he didn't mean to kill him and take it down. It just it was a kid's mistake, bro.
Speaker 4:So it's like it's weird to see, like you said, shit apply to certain races or not like because again, it don't apply to us though black black children aren't afforded the same level of innocence that white children are white children are allowed to make mistakes yeah you know what I mean. It's allowed for them to be like well, you know he's. How many times have we seen like something happened with a white boy in the news and white boy be like 28 and they talk about you know?
Speaker 2:he was young as a kid, still just learning.
Speaker 4:Who's down here 30 talking about? He's just.
Speaker 2:You know, this was a learning curve for I know bro, he got drunk in the car and killed his friends, not learning think about trayvon.
Speaker 4:It's like, oh, he was 14, he should have knew better yeah, he should have been out at night and again so it's very racial, bro, and to say it's not, bro, you're. You're a liar it is. You're a liar you're a liar because, again, if dude black people can name like hella shooters who've gotten off bro, and they're went home they went home they went bro kyle rittenhouse eating good noodles every day bro.
Speaker 2:Kyle rittenhouse is still around eating good noodles bro and it's bro. Kyle Rittenhouse is still around Eating good noodles, bro, and it's like you know how many videos we didn't see them. Niggas reach for the cell phone, didn't reach for their wallet and it's like, oh, I remember.
Speaker 4:I seen bro, and it's been so many videos. Now to where it's like Too many bro. It's just crazy to me, because I've've seen hundreds of videos, bro, and every video it's just like there's always somebody trying to justify it every time, and that's and that's the part, too, where it's racy, because there's no way you know niggas are wrong a hundred percent of the time bro like that's just what kills me too.
Speaker 2:There's like never even like the slightest bit of accountability it's like, and it's funny because, like bro, I'm not entire person.
Speaker 2:If I see someone in the wrong, I'm accounting like nah bro, I can't lie bro, I wouldn't have done that one bro, I can't lie Like I don't know if I would have reached all the way he shouldn't have got shot, but I don't think I would have done that myself. But it's like, yeah, man, these people are always in the comments like oh typical black violence. And it's like I hate reading those comments, dude, because it's like I know it's rage bait. I know everyone thinks like that, but it's just like I hate like, oh, typical black people. That's all they know. Y'all know you be seeing those stupid ass comments. I don't even engage because, nah, that's strictly people trying to get paid oh, they got a view, that's all they get paid.
Speaker 2:And then you see their content. All they do is rage bait and I'm like nah, Don't engage bro, I'm good bro, I'm good man.
Speaker 4:It's not for me Especially if they don't got a profile picture.
Speaker 2:They're not using their government name bro. They're strictly there to so young. He was 21, all right, and then we do something. It's like he was 17, try him as an adult and it's like all right.
Speaker 4:I think the thing is, bro, we're just not gonna see a change because there's um, it's just too intertwined with just, uh, white people being at the top of the hierarchy. You know, there's always also a part of it there always has to be a lax on the regulations of guns, because that's how a lot of white folks have historically just had their power in this country.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean that's where a lot of their power stems from that's true you know what I mean, and it's just a bigger arsenal, yeah they're not going to give it up. You know that's a inherently a part of, like you know, white american freedom right, oh god damn.
Speaker 2:I wish she was lying, but that is true.
Speaker 4:No, it is, bro. That's how they killed off the majority of the Native Americans. Bro, Guns and disease. Think about this when you really think about what was the one thing, they didn't want to regulate during a global pandemic, the disease. You know what I mean. They're all for the spread of the disease and them having the newman talking ass.
Speaker 2:You know what?
Speaker 4:I mean because, again too, when you look at it historically, this isn't the first time that, um, you know, white americans use like biological warfare, or they use like biological hey, newman, talking ass shit again, bro, they were given, they were given Native Americans blankets with smallpox and measles and shit like that. You know a or even, if you want to get deep, we don't even have to go that far back bro. During the fucking influenza bro, during that, during that shit in the 20s bro, there was, there was folks, white folks who didn't want?
Speaker 4:to wear masks, nigga.
Speaker 2:And then it comes out later it was man made virus that got exposed from a lab and it was, oh, it was true. This whole time I thought we were just crazy, not trusting the government. Hey know what it's, newman? It's Unapologetic. It's episode 59. We, the gods, not messing with you, nah, but nah, not real shit. We appreciate you guys listening honestly second, but nah, real shit. We appreciate you guys for listening Honestly second time on your day, man, we really appreciate you guys. It's my quick one-minute review from Sinners. Sinners is a great movie. Everyone go see it in theaters. We gotta keep Black Semina. Keep it going, man. Ryan Cooter gets to own a movie in 25 years. That's big for us, bro. Oh yeah, it's a one-off, but still, man, you don't see stuff like that man. I didn't see it in theaters still, but I did see it because I just had to see it because it was too much. Newman, everyone who sees that is going to enjoy that movie. Newman, what you got, bro.
Speaker 4:If you made it all the way to the end, bro, I appreciate y'all, man. Um, yeah, we're back, dude, we're just trying to keep it consistent, you know? Um, I definitely appreciate if y'all stuck with us, even through the uh hot conspiracy theory takes, you know. If you have a problem with it, man, leave a comment. Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 4:You know, I'll just address it on the next pod, you know, and shit, if you're right're right, you know I'm man enough to admit yeah, I was wrong so and so had a very good point, you know. Um, anyways, yeah, like I said, I appreciate y'all making it to the end, bro, and, uh, you know, have a good week hey episode, I don't put a genetic.
Speaker 2:And hey, if y'all seen sinners, it's for y'all. Hey, we out bro.
Speaker 3:There we are, a brand new pair of robes To rattle over the box. And frighten Horns of tomb were nearly broken. Hearted, saluted. Father, dear, kissed me, darling mother Drank a pint of beer. My grief and tears To smother them off. To reap the corn Leave where I was born. Cut a stone. Black thorn to banish Ghosts and goblins. Brand new pair of robes.
Speaker 2:Hold up, hold up, hold up Real quick. I know it's not a review yet, but that music scene was the best scene I've ever seen All time. Him just putting all cultures in. Yeah, yeah, honestly, go see that movie. Y'all get it. I'm going to play it to the episode for tonight. Yeah, episode for the night.
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